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<strong>Meeting summary for DesignSafe Release/Management Meeting (11/07/2024)</strong>
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The team discussed the need for a plan to address user issues and improve their system, with a focus on the complexities of the Python ecosystem and the challenges of managing cloud services. They also discussed the importance of testing environments for their projects and the ongoing work on audit trails, with questions about the user interface for this system. The team acknowledged the challenges they face but expressed a commitment to improving their system and communicating effectively with users.
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<strong>Next steps</strong>
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• Tim to organize one or two meetings with key users to discuss their package and resource needs on DesignSafe.
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• Joe to follow up with Gilbert about creating a testing environment for Krishna to test Dappy changes within the Jupiter hub.
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• Tracy's team to continue work on audit trails, aiming to have a queryable database ready before the Christmas break.
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<strong>Summary</strong>
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<strong>Addressing User Pain Points and Solutions</strong>
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Ellen emphasized the need for a plan to collect information to identify solutions that would help users achieve their goals. She highlighted the issues faced by Fred's student and a Rapid student using Google Colab, and the need for a commitment to using design safe resources. Tim suggested having direct communication between Joe and Gilbert with the users to understand their limitations and potential solutions. Joe agreed, stating that they are willing to talk to users to understand their pain points and balance between installing packages and maintaining large images. Ellen proposed a framework for training resources and suggested a meeting with Krishna to discuss the issues he has already identified. Tim agreed to organize a few meetings with the relevant people to discuss these issues.
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<strong>Challenges in Python Ecosystem Management</strong>
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Dan expressed his frustration with the Python ecosystem, highlighting issues with package management and compatibility. He mentioned the existence of multiple package managers, such as Conda, Pip, and Mamba, which often don't work seamlessly together. Dan also pointed out the problem of outdated versions of packages, like Yolo, and the lack of support for new GPUs. Joe agreed with Dan's assessment, emphasizing the importance of considering future package versions. The team acknowledged the challenges in managing the Python ecosystem, but also recognized the potential for improvement.
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<strong>Addressing System Challenges and Costs</strong>
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The team discussed the complexities and challenges of their current system, acknowledging that it is not simple and requires constant adjustments. They agreed that they need to address these issues but also recognized the potential for added complexity in support and other areas. The team also discussed the high costs of cloud services and the need for better solutions. They agreed to continue working on improving their system, despite the challenges, and to communicate clearly with users about what they can and cannot do. The team also acknowledged the potential for future complaints and the need to adapt to changing needs.
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<strong>Testing Environment and Project Complexity</strong>
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In the meeting, Ellen and Joe discussed the need for a testing environment for Krishna, which was supposed to be built by Gilbert. Joe confirmed that Gilbert was working on a Python 3.11 environment but it was put on hold due to some incompatibilities. Joe agreed to follow up on this issue. Ellen also mentioned that Chris needed a test environment for Dappy to make changes, which is critical for their project. Joe agreed to check on this as well. The team also discussed the complexity of their project, with Dan suggesting that everything is possible but requires careful planning. Tracy and Tim were thanked for arranging Joe's participation in the meeting.
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Tracy discussed the ongoing work on the audit trails, which involves data from Tapas logs and Splunk. The team is working on scripts and identifiers to load data into a database table for future queries. The aim is to have this system ready by the end of the year, before Christmas break. However, the user interface (UI) for this system is still undecided, with questions about whether it should be for internal use only or for users as well. Tracy also mentioned that the data site is already loaded with all their data, which should not be a problem for the dataverse people. Ellen raised a question about the relevance of relational databases in this context.
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