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The team discussed various tasks and projects, including the Open Phone task, the Atsec VM, and the relocation of training materials to the Design Safe CI organization on Github. They also discussed the issues with the current HPC Jupyter app, the need for a clearer user interface, and the potential for a paradigm shift in their workflow. Lastly, they discussed the development of an universal OpenSeas app, the progress of their projects, and the potential of going native for future HPC Jupiter deployments.
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• Gilbert to fix SSH issue for Pedro in JupyterHub
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• Gilbert to add executable for DSAP-18 (Update JupyterHub executables)
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• Krishna to continue developing and testing Dappy package
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• Krishna to prepare a demo of Dappy for the next Apps meeting
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• Silvia to document OpenSees deploy release 3.6 and 3.7
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• Tracy to assign a Tapis person to help Silvia with developing a universal OpenSees app
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• Tim to move examples to community (needs to figure out specifics)
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• Tracy to complete porting of remaining 2 apps to Stampede 3
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• Tracy to modify other interactive apps to launch without asking for default inputs
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• Silvia to discuss OpenSees 3.7.1 update with Frank and coordinate testing
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• Silvia, Pedro, and others to test OpenSees 3.7.1 on Stampede 3 before updating on DesignSafe
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• Wes to migrate training materials from DesignSafe Training organization to DesignSafe-CI on GitHub
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• Sal to update the name of the new native HPC Jupyter app and add a beta tag
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In the meeting, Tim led a discussion to review and prioritize tasks for the next two weeks. Carlos reported on his progress, including his work on the Open Phone task, which he is waiting for a response on, and his collaboration with a student on the Atsec VM. Carlos identified some bugs in the Atsec VM and user guide that need fixing. Tim and Ellen agreed that fixing these issues should be a priority, especially in light of the upcoming Computational Symposium. Carlos also mentioned the need to sync up the code for the Atsec VM. The team also discussed the need to promote the Atsec VM after the symposium, with plans to involve Marty in this process.
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The team discussed the relocation of training materials to the Design Safe CI organization on Github. They agreed on the need for a centralized location for training materials and the potential for individual team members to manage their own repositories. However, concerns were raised about the efficiency of the current process, with Silvia expressing a desire for more control over her training materials. The team agreed to explore options for managing their own training materials and to finalize the process by the end of the week.
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The team discussed the issues with the current HPC Jupyter app, particularly with the containerized version of Jupyter Lab. They agreed that running Jupyter Notebook natively on the nodes, without containerization, would be more beneficial for HPC capabilities. The team also discussed the need for a custom kernel for certain training purposes, which was not possible before. They decided to put in a ticket for the issues with the containerized version and to test the native Jupyter Lab instance. The team also discussed the benefits of running the native Jupyter Lab instance on the compute node for HPC contexts.
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The team discussed the need for a clearer user interface for their HPC Jupyter application, particularly in distinguishing between CPU and GPU options. They considered the possibility of having a single HPC Jupyter app with a system selection dropdown, which would display queues for the selected system. The team also discussed the potential for a naming change to better reflect the system's capabilities. Additionally, they acknowledged the need for better documentation and links to explain the different queues and their functionalities.
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The team discussed the need for a paradigm shift in their workflow, considering a top-down approach to design and scalability. They acknowledged the challenges of transitioning to a new system, particularly with the introduction of Tapestry 3 and users becoming accountable for their actions. The team also recognized the potential for confusion and the need for clear communication and decision-making. The discussion concluded with the understanding that a shift in their workflow would require a significant effort but could lead to more opportunities and scalability.
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Tim proposes moving forward with testing the Jupyter Hub 3.11 environment without dappy, and getting feedback from other users to ensure their workflows are not disrupted. While Krishna agrees, Tracy expresses concern about getting the necessary feedback. Silvia believes upgrading to 3.11 should not be an issue, and raises a separate issue about not being able to SSH from Jupyter Hub, which Gilbert acknowledges is likely related to a ticket submitted by Pedro. Carlos mentions that the container needs to be rebuilt to specify the user appropriately for SSH to work.
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In the meeting, Silvia proposed the development of an universal OpenSeas app that could be accessed from a Jupyter notebook, aiming to streamline workflows and reduce the need for frequent updates. However, Tracy expressed concerns about the feasibility and priority of this project, suggesting that it would require significant changes to their architecture and might not be feasible with their current priorities. Ellen agreed with Tracy's concerns, emphasizing the need for careful planning and resource allocation. The team agreed to further discuss the project's feasibility and potential impact.
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In the meeting, Tim and the team discussed the progress of their projects, including the porting of two apps to Stampede 3 and the ongoing changes to interactive apps. They also discussed the SDK, which is currently on hold. Wenyang reported a severe bug in Open Seas 3.7 and suggested updating to version 3.7.1. Silvia agreed to verify this with Frank and ensure proper testing before any changes. The team also discussed the possibility of maintaining multiple versions of Open Seas for testing purposes. Lastly, they discussed the potential of going native for future HPC Jupiter deployments.
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